Today we’re talking about where to find and connect with your hidden joy. We’ll chat about the Metaverse, embodiment, the full spectrum of emotion, prioritizing pleasure & more. Today’s guest is Laura Isabella Machny– Spiritual Life Coach & Tantra Teacher.

Laura helps spiritual awakened women step into their own innate power, self-love, and pleasure so that they can gain momentum and achieve what they want in love and life. Laura’s bigger mission is to help create a more conscious, joyful, and loving world through personal growth, spiritual awakening, and self-empowerment.

 Cilia: So we were just talking about how technology moves quickly, I feel the same. And with the whole meta-verse thing. I’m like, oh no, why would we do that? Why would we have.. like, we’re already zombie out on our phones. Why do we need these things to block out reality? No, thank you.

Laura: I know, I totally agree with you. When I first saw that I was kind of horrified and kind of shocked. I can understand like some of the positives that might be available through that. But honestly I was like, no this cannot be that good. You know, we’re already way too absorbed in the, the alternative world of the online stuff, social media, all of that, that reality.

We just need to be more present where we are and cultivate the relationships that we have in person as well. I mean, obviously this, this is beautiful that we can do this right now.

 Cilia: Yeah

Laura: Like, yay, technology is great so we can be communicating all over the world, different time zones, however, people are feeling so much more isolated and so much more lonely simultaneously, and people don’t know how to relate or communicate anymore. You know, there’s so, so many issues there.

Especially I think with younger people. I mean, and it’s just, that’s like a whole thing. You could just, like, we could do a whole call on that alone.

 Cilia: Um mm-hmm.

Laura: But yeah, it’s crazy. And I think that’s why I have like a resistance a bit towards new technological things that come out. We’re always being like bombarded by: try this, do this, do this! And then I feel like my energy is going in too many different directions and then I can’t focus.

 Cilia: Yeah. It’s very overwhelming. It’s overwhelming. I always get overwhelmed with like, how many different places people can message me.

Laura: Oh my God, my God

 Cilia: Instagram, Facebook, whatsapp… So many places and them I’m like,”AHH!”.

Laura: Oh yeah.

 Cilia: And then I don’t answer messages for like weeks 😂

Laura: Right. Yeah, because it’s too much. I totally agree. I started out with Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp, I think in the beginning. Now there’s Telegram and Slack and like all these other ones.

 Cilia: Mm-hmm.

Find your Joy offline

Laura: It’s always like finding a balance for me. I have these what I call “disconnection days” to reconnect. I go offline, like, full on. I’m like, nope, no internet, no messages, no screens, nothing. Just put it down. It’s not, it’s not that hard for me. Like yes, I’m very plugged in, but at the same time I know how good it feels. I know how good it is for me.

I can put that down and it feels so good. It’s usually an entire day of spending time in nature. Going to the beach, going to the forest, and just really immersing myself and not needing to look at screen.

What I might do sometimes is still take pictures because I love photography. It’s an artistic expression for me. So, I will use my phone for that but then, that’s it.

And yeah, it’s really nourishing. It feels really good. I definitely recommend it.

Cilia: Mm-hmm, yeah. I love how that goes hand in hand with all the things that you listed as things we can talk about today. First off, prioritizing pleasure–we need a step back from technology to feel good, technology, let’s be honest, doesn’t really make us feel good.

Laura: No, it doesn’t.

Cilia: I mean, sometimes… I can see how it does if you live in an area where nobody is like you and maybe like no one has the same beliefs as you.

Laura: Yeah

Cilia: And you feel alone, then Yeah. You can find your community on the internet. I know that that’s helpful, but I think that might be the only exception.

Laura: Yeah. Pretty much. Cause I feel like there’s so much comparison that goes on and then you feel like you’re not good enough, or you’re supposed to be a certain way and you forget to be yourself or…

Like, you can go down so many different rabbit holes, I feel. I think you can probably relate to this, I grew up in a time where cell phones had only just kind of started like, you know, barely. When I was a kid there was no cell phones.

We had landlines, it was cool. And I grew up playing outside, just running around, you know, using my imagination, like building things out of sticks and it was awesome.

Cilia: I used to play with mud and it was so fun.

Laura: So fun. And rocks. Seriously. Like just the little things, you know, we often take them for granted nowadays. The other day I was out on the beach. I was sitting there enjoying the sun, there were some families around and I noticed the children playing.

And there was this little girl very close to me. She was in that kind of place by the ocean where the water gets to your feet. And she was, she had buried her feet into the sand and she was just constantly taking the sand and like continuing to bury her feet and the water would come and wash it away.

She was there at least the whole time I was there, which was a good half hour. And she loved it. She was really enjoying it and it was so beautiful to witness that because I can relate. I was that child so I can relate to how she was feeling. I thought that was so beautiful.

And that exists so naturally within children. However, at the same time I see so many kids walking around on these screens. Or you see parents just like in a restaurant giving their two-year-old a screen. It’s really scary. It’s like, how are they developing? Or how are they not developing?

I’m not an expert in those things, but it’s really scary, like to think about what kinda world are we creating because they literally are the future.

Cilia: Yeah. It is scary. I used to be a waitress in New York City and I saw that a lot. Like, babies just like on the iPad, just like zonked out. And I get that it keeps the child quiet, but there are other things you could do to keep a child quiet.

I also used to work with kids and from what I’ve noticed, I’m no expert on this at all.. but from what I’ve noticed, the kids that are on screens or on games a lot, they’re not developing their social skills.

Laura: Right

Cilia: And I think that’s dangerous. And then we have this metaverse that’s like, you know, at that level kids are gonna be even more like… what scares me the most about it is the disembodiment of it, because you’re not in reality anymore.

Laura: Right. Yeah, exactly. It’s terrifying. You might start questioning then–

Cilia: “is my body real? “

Laura: Yeah! And everyone’s gonna be different in regards to how much they get into it, obviously, but are they going to like, wanna prefer to be in that reality? I think some people will.

And I think that in itself Yeah. Has a whole bunch of implications.That can’t be healthy.

Cilia: And we already see that with phones.

Find your Joy through Embodiment

Laura: Right, that’s a good point. It already largely exists. And I really feel like embodiment is so important. We have a body, we live and feel through our bodies and largely we’re so much in our minds all the time.

Take out technology and social media and all that for a second, even without that, we’re so much in our heads overthinking. I mean, we live in a society that prioritizes that. That encourages that.

It’s like,”You gotta think through it. You gotta be logical and figure it all out.” And we forget that our thoughts, our ability to think, and our mind is actually a tool. Which is very useful and it’s awesome and it’s part of us and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it. However, the problem is when we identify with that solely as the only thing that we are.

When we have that perspective or that lens that we’re looking through, we’re missing out on a huge part of who we are. We’re missing out on what we’re capable of and what we can feel. Feelings in general are ignored a lot of the times but they’re incredibly important to not ignore.

So it’s…it’s an interesting time in the world right now. And I also feel like, to go back to the kids example, conscious parenting is so important. Raise your children consciously with awareness. Empower them right from the start. Let them know who they are, encourage who they are, naturally. Love them unconditionally, and don’t have them sit on screens for too long.

That’s what I would do as a mother. You know, I’m not a mother right now. Yeah. But that is definitely what I would be doing with my children.

Cilia: Yeah. With what you said about how embodiment is so important… I think embodiment and that connection with your body is necessary to know who you are. And to be confident and to be expressed.

And, I don’t know how it is where you live, but over here we’re expected to choose what we want to do for the rest of our lives at like 16, 17, 18. And… not everyone at that age knows who they are.

Laura: No

Cilia: Especially in a society where we put thinking ahead of feeling and embodiment isn’t seen as important.

Laura: I agree with you, and that’s exactly how I grew up as well. I’m from Canada originally currently I’m living in Chile. I think it’s very similar here. They also have that western kind of attitude towards life here.

I remember specifically when I was in grade 10, I was about 15 years old in a family planning class. We had an assignment that was like: write down the next five years of your life and the next five after that.

So approximately 10 years, give or take, like what is it that you wanna do in what order? And I just thought it was the most ridiculous assignment because I was like, I have no idea. I’m just trying to figure out how I feel about stuff because I’m a teenager and I have all these hormones, you know, I dunno, I’m like, I’m like discovering life right now. I’m really young. I have no idea what my life is gonna look like. I wanna be happy and that’s… that’s what I want.

I don’t know exactly what road that is gonna take for me, you know, what path I’ll go on. But I was always very much in touch with my intuition in that sense that I didn’t let the things that society was telling me to do dictate how I was living. So in that way I was always really rebellious, like a bit of a rebel or I did things differently. And my life was really shaped itself.

But in that regard, yeah, teenagers generally don’t know.

Cilia: Usually there’s a few people that are very set, like, yes, this is what I wanna do. I wanna be a veterinarian, or I wanna be this or that. And… I think those people are a good reflection of their parents, in my opinion.

Laura: Yeah

Cilia: Or at least their environment because I don’t think you can have that knowledge of knowing who you are without it being mirrored to you. There’s so much you don’t know at that age.

For me, I was very like sheltered and very helicoptered so there’s a lot of things that I found out about really late. And if I was a teenager now, I would’ve totally went in a different direction in college. I would’ve went the science route instead of the art route because the art was like my self therapy to deal with life. I just recently realized like, oh, whoa, art isn’t like my purpose or passion, it was just my therapy.

Laura: Right, yeah. And that’s so beautiful when you can come to these realizations about yourself as well and about your life. You have those aha moments, whether it’s instant or it takes some time, but everybody’s on their own timeline.

The problem in school and the majority of the schooling systems worldwide, as far as I can tell, we sweep everyone under the same rug and and evaluate everyone the same way. And we look at intelligence just in one way, largely. These things are starting to change a bit, but that’s still how it is largely.

It’s sad because the creativity and the natural way of that specific person is just kind of being numbed or suppressed largely. And then you lose yourself, right? Before you even really know yourself, you’re losing yourself.

Cilia: Yeah, I have chills all over my body as you say this.

Laura: Yeah and then you have to spend all these years essentially finding yourself again. You know, which in itself is…. it can be very difficult and painful this journey, but it’s also really beautiful, you know?

Cilia: Yeah, for sure.

Laura: And I definitely am a big believer in that life is happening for us

Cilia: me too

Laura: Right, and that things are kind of meant to be. So I’m not judging it in that sense, is something bad? I just think that it can be really difficult and a little bit unnecessary [the way the school system is]

It would be much better for children to be told: This is all available to you. How do you feel about this? Take some time with trying out these different things.

And then I feel like it would be easier for the child and for young adults to figure things out. And to be encouraged and not feel like they have to live up to an expectation or that they have to suppress a part of themselves, you know?

Cause I think that’s a big part of it, we’re constantly suppressing parts of ourselves to live up to an expectation. Or thinking “we have to do it this way” because “that’s the way you’re supposed to”, and “this is how you can be happy”.

But that doesn’t really feel right. And it’s a lot. It’s messy.

Cilia: I could definitely see us taking this the route of talking more about like, you know, the childhood and, you know, there’s so many different ways to educate kids now, like unschooling.

Find your joy by Prioritizing Pleasure

But I want to see if we can venture back to the topic of prioritizing pleasure. One thing that you said was suppressing a part of ourself and I’ve recently come to realize, maybe a year ago, that pleasure.. and first of all, pleasure isn’t just sexuality.

Laura: Thank you for saying that

Cilia: Yeah, and sexuality is something that’s a part of us that’s largely suppressed.

Laura: Yeah

Cilia: And I think that can be linked to why we suppress pleasure or maybe feel guilty when we’re having a good day while we know people on the other side of the world are starving.

Laura: Mm-hmm

Cilia: With sexuality, it’s this part of being human that’s taken from us and it’s been going on for generations. This is why there are people who have parents who do talk to them, but most parents do not talk to their kids about sex at all. They’ve been conditioned to feel so uncomfortable about it that they’ll just avoid it. But this is a part of ourselves that we’re suppressing.

So then we have all these, I feel like I’m going on, like I’m on a soapbox right now…

Laura: That’s awesome. I love it.

Cilia: And then we have all these shows, advertisements, and all these things that are very sexualized. And they do so well because that part of us is starving.

Laura: Yeah

Cilia: The first thing that comes to mind is Bridgerton 😂 I loved that show. The first season was good, the second season was good too, but the first one.. that was a hot season.

Laura: 😂 Oh my god. Yeah. I totally agree. I really resonate with everything you just said. I’m incredibly passionate about pleasure and also the understanding of what that all means, right?

Cilia: Mm-hmm

Laura: Because it’s not just about sex. And, and like so many people, I think they gravitate towards that. They think that’s what it is about, right? Like just sex.

And of course, sex and sexual energy is so beautiful and so natural and so important. There is a lot of pleasure in that, and that is a big part of pleasure. And absolutely, let’s embrace that more. Let’s be more open about that, right?

And pleasure’s not just about sex. So, you know, like, I enjoy a, like a cup of chai tea and some dark chocolate. I feel so much pleasure in that. Just really tasting it fully.

And of course you can increase your pleasure by being more present, by tasting it fully rather than just like, you know, swallow really quickly. The chocolate that is.

Yeah. So pleasure is so important. It’s so important because it means that you’re prioritizing yourself in a way that feels good, right? Like all the time we are prioritizing the to-do list. The the go, go go, the errands, the what do I need to do next, right? Mm-hmm. And we forget about pleasure completely.

Like some people are now starting to rest more, right? That’s a big thing now. Like rest is an absolutely, definitely rest more. We need more rest. That’s also really important. What about pleasure? It’s like nobody’s talking enough about that, in my opinion.

You need to be able to take time for yourself, guilt free. Ideally, you know, we have this saying it’s like, “guilty pleasure, guilty pleasure.” Like, ooh, yeah. Whyyy….? Who’s? Who… tagged pleasure with guilt???

I think it also just because of the sexual energy part of it, I feel like because we’ve shamed sex for so long, it’s been so taboo, especially for women, you know?

That’s why I think that the guilt comes into it because sexual energy is somehow not okay. It’s like we can openly have, this is a good example. We can have all these movies with like war scenes, people killing each other, violence and everything.

Cilia: Right? Yeah.

Laura: It’s been normalized. And then we have these sex scenes or kissing and everybody’s like,” cover your eyes, look away.” But at the same time, you have this booming porn, porn industry, right.

And you’ve got people that are craving to be able to feel themselves in their sexual energy that isn’t shamed. That’s okay. That’s acceptable. There just isn’t conversation around it.

I think there… it’s a very complex issue that literally spans hundreds of thousands of years, the oppression of this energy. I think part of it is there’s a lot of power in it. There’s a lot of power and sexual energy. Because sexual energy is the same as creative energy, as life force energy.

It’s that which creates, you know, you literally create a human being with your sexual energy. It’s pretty powerful. I feel like when women in particular are IN their sexual energy, they become so magnetic, you know? They’re in their power, they’re in their flow.

It’s combined with that feminine energy, the creative energy, the sexual energy, all essentially being one. And when you’re in that you are more confident. You express yourself unapologetically. That’s very self-loving. And that can be really scary as well to certain people, to an establishment, to a narrative, when they’re trying to control something. It’s hard to control people that are really in their power.

Cilia: Right? Yeah.

Laura: It is so and so you wanna suppress it, essentially put a lid on it. And now I think we’re at a time where we’re getting more in touch with ourselves, quite literally. We’re exploring our bodies. We’re having more open conversations about it. There’s more recognition around ourselves as a full person, as a whole being that has all these different aspects and qualities and feelings and desires. And how we can kind of change the narrative around it.

That actually you don’t need to feel shame or guilt around it, you know? And, and I think it’s still gonna take some time for us to really unpack all this, both on an individual level for each person, because everyone’s unique, you know, and as a collective.

Cilia: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Laura: Cause for so long we’ve been so suppressed and oppressed in different ways, right. It’s not like we can just change everything tomorrow in regards to this. There’s many different things that people can do on their personal journeys.

But I think, I don’t wanna get too much back into the children’s thing, but it does start there, you know, speak to your children about sexual energy. Like, be open about it, you know? And, and don’t shame your child for feeling something or for touching or for any, you know, just encourage their exploration and tell them who they are and what everything is about.

And pleasure is just as important as rest. Both are really important. I think something that would be really good to do for everybody is to write a pleasure first list rather than just having your to-do list. Also write a pleasure list. A pleasure first list.

See what it is that you like. Anything big, small, you know, like I said, eat some chocolate if that’s your thing. Have a bath, you know, dance, go, go walk on the beach, like whatever it is for you. Read a good book, prioritize it, make it a priority. And then the things on your to-do list are gonna become more fun because you’ve done something on your pleasure list, right? You’re gonna feel better, you’re gonna be more in your body. You’re gonna be giving yourself more love and more care.

Find your joy by accepting it ALL

Laura: Then you can essentially, from the inside out, you’re gonna transform your life, you know, bit by bit, day by day. Because you’re gonna end up feeling better and you can invite more joy in. I talk a lot about joy as well. You can invite more joy into your experience, even in hard times. And that doesn’t mean that you’re bypassing anything. I wanna be really clear on that because I do speak a lot about joy and pleasure because that’s, my energy is very much like joyful and very positive in all this.

But I’m not bypassing.

I still feel my sadness.

I still feel my frustration and my anger.

And because I allow myself to feel the whole spectrum of emotions when they’re there, I can more easily then release them.

Cilia: Mm-hmm.

Laura: And when I can do that, I can invite more joy in. I can feel more fulfilled and more happy. Even if there’s something difficult going on in my life, I can deal with it in a way that feels better ultimately. And everybody is actually capable of inviting more joy into their life.

And that has to do with inviting more pleasure into your life as well, and just allowing yourself to feel everything because we don’t do that. We numb and we suppress our feelings in a multitude of different ways, and that ultimately is so detrimental.

Cilia: I think that might be one of the biggest ways that human society is keeping themselves small. We’re so afraid of feeling our sadness, our anger, our anxiety, our depression. And in not feeling that or in stuffing that down, then that also cuts us off from the “Good”– I don’t like to label emotions as good or bad. I think they’re all here for purpose.

Laura: Yeah, I agree.

Cilia: But there’s definitely like this fear, and I get it. I used to be one of those people, but it’s amazing how, if you make the space for it and if you integrate those parts of you and give those parts of you love… like “the side of me that gets sad. Like, let me shower her with love. Let me hold her for a second. Let me welcome her back into my heart.” THAT’s going to shift something, but we’re not taught, like going back again to childhood.

This needs to be taught to children. A child in my opinion, should be guided on how to navigate this human experience. But instead, I feel like modern school is just like training them all to be workers. And that’s the issue.

Laura: Yeah. It’s like the industrial system, you know, like when we’re like, essentially that’s when like the modern schooling I think kind of started.

Cilia: Yeah. I think that time, I think that’s what school, like the whole purpose is to like train you to be a factory worker. But like, we don’t really have like factories here anymore. Why… what are we doing?

Laura: Yeah. It’s so outdated.

Cilia: It is so outdated. And they set aside the very important part of emotions and the fact that everybody’s so different.

Laura: Right, and I felt that when I was in school I was like, “there is something wrong here.” I actually had that feeling in school when I was a kid at a very young age already. I think I was probably around 10.

Something’s not adding up. Like they’re not teaching us everything or some of the things they’re teaching us aren’t even accurate. And like I had this whole, you know, this was like before obviously I had my awakening where I realized a lot of things about the world myself. But yeah, it’s just, I feel like it’s failing a lot of people.

Cilia: Yeah, it’s failing a lot of people. It’s setting us up for something that’s much more difficult than it needs to be.

Laura: Right. Yeah. And I think the whole system needs to be like redone. Mm-hmm. Essentially like recreated. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, totally. I think that’ll happen once, like not to get political here, so say, I feel like that’ll happen once, like newer generations are in government.

Yeah. I don’t know how it is in Chile or in Canada. Mm-hmm. But in America, like we have like mm-hmm. Old, like no offense, but they’re like from older generations. Yeah. And typically like once you’re like, once you’re a certain age, you’re like not that open to new ideas. It’s true. Yeah. And you know, they’re making, they’re trying to keep the world how it was when they were young.

Yeah. And it’s just not working.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. I agree. And it’s, it’s like that here. And it’s like that in Canada, I think pretty much most of the world probably. Um, mm-hmm. Absolutely. It’s mostly older people, and you’re right. I think this, I think we need, you know, some young people to get into office.

Cilia: Yeah, definitely stop and rest.

Laura: I feel like it’s kinda like the relationship with like grandparents. I love my grandparents, but there was just some things that they would do and say where I was like, oh my God, they just didn’t say that. And they think it’s totally okay. Like to them it’s like, that’s their world. But for us it’s like, whoa. That’s not really a thing anymore. That’s not really acceptable anymore.

Cilia: Yeah, in my family, they think it’s okay to be like, “I don’t mean to be racist, but…” it’s like, if you’re starting your sentence with that, what you’re gonna say, you shouldn’t be saying!

Laura: Exactly. It’s just like that. And then, and then sometimes, you feel like you can’t really argue with them or really talk about it with them because they just, you know that they’re not really gonna get it the way that you get it. They’re in their world now. But, yeah, I feel like a lot of the politicians are like grandparents.

Cilia: That’s a good way to explain it like your relationship with your grandparents. I’ve never thought about it like that.

Embracing that you’re Multi-Faceted

Cilia: I realize we started recording without having you like introduce yourself.

Laura: Oh, that’s fine.

Cilia: Do you wanna, do you wanna do that now?

Laura: Sure, I’ll do that, yes.

Cilia: And then we’ll see what it’ll lead to.

Laura: Yeah, so I’m Laura. I am a Tantra teacher. I am a reiki practitioner. I am a spiritual life coach and a joy goddess and just lover of life in general. At the moment I’m very passionate about helping awakening wild women. Women that wanna get back into their power, into their body, into their truth.

I guess this does lead into, to what I wanna say next, um, to essentially be themselves in a really whole way. The fact that they’re, you know, we’re already whole, we’re already complete, we’re already enough, we’re already worthy. You don’t need to take on certain roles or identities and put yourself into the box of that or into the expectation of that.

You know, because that way you can often lose yourself. You can burn out, you know, I’ll give an example. I find that a lot of women now, especially in the entrepreneurial space, they took on this like really intense identity of being the boss babe.

Cilia: Ugh, right?

Laura: Like the, myself included for a while.

Cilia: Right, I was in a membership called Boss Babe.

Laura: Oh, well, there you go. It doesn’t surprise me. Uh, so I feel like this Boss Babe attitude, it of course it comes from a well-intended place, of course. It’s women doing their thing, being powerful, creating their own business, leading the way, like all good things. Completely. Nothing wrong with that at all.

However the problem is that I have discovered within my own journey, my own personal life within myself and then also with what I’ve been seeing is that that becomes you. It’s like you are THAT, it’s like THAT’s your identity. That’s becomes your whole world.

Next thing you know, you are in this like, go, go, go energy all the time. You’re like in this like intense masculine energy essentially. Always about doing, pushing structure, getting the things done. And then you burn out.

You kinda fry your nerves and you lose your flow, your softness, your sensuality, your connection potentially to your sexual energy or your relationships. I mean, there are literally a cascading amount of things that can happen as a result of you being so much in this way of being. And it suits some women to be like that most of the time, fully. But that’s a small percentage I would say, because women are very, in particular, I mean, all people are, but I think women in particular, we’re very cyclical. We’re very rhythmic. We’re very like up and down in these waves of our emotions, of our bodies.

You could see it physically expressed in our menstrual cycle. So it’s natural for us to wanna slow down For us to wanna breathe, to connect with our bodies and our feelings. But when we’re constantly in this pushing energy, there’s no space for that. And so then other parts of our life can suffer as a result.

And you end up feeling really disconnected from your heart and from your yoni and from like who you are ultimately. So that’s what I’m seeing. And then on the other side, you have like, you know, there’s the other side where it’s like women are portrayed as, or meant to be this some sort of docile helpless maiden. But the truth is, in my opinion is that we’re both of those and so much more.

Cilia: Mm-hmm. Right?

Laura: We’re multifaceted. We’re so multifaceted and we can take on the identity of like, okay, right now I need to be the boss babe. I need to step into those shoes. Like “this is what needs, needs to happen right now in my life, in this moment. And now I can really relax and now I can just be the sultry seductress and now I can be the…” so you can be all these people, but you don’t have to choose to just really be one of them.

There all this energy, all these archetypes, All of this is you because you are all of it. You’re the woman, right? Like it’s all within you. It’s all available to you. And you can play the roles as much as you want, as long as you’re being authentic and true to who you actually are, how you actually feel, how you wanna show up in the world, right? How you wanna live unapologetically, self-expressed and touch with your truth.

And that’s different for everyone. And that can be hard to define. Yeah. But it’s there. It’s within you. You can feel it, right? Getting in touch with your intuition, with your body, it comes back to embodiment. So I think it’s really important more than ever, you know, to really truly be with yourself.

Cilia: Mm-hmm.

Laura: Self reflect, do some self inquiry, ask yourself some bigger questions. Ask yourself like, how do I really wanna be, how do I wanna show up? Like, who am I truly? And can I really love myself here? And you know, and, and if I don’t, then what’s, what’s the reason? You know? And then explore that really deeply. I mean, this is the journey of like self discovery, spiritual awakening, inner growth, and then say no to everything that’s not in alignment with you.

Cilia: Yeah. And that, and I know that be so hard.

Laura: I know. I was just about to say, I know that can be incredibly difficult. And you know, and I’m over here, I’m the first person saying I can’t do that all the time. And here’s the thing: being okay with that too. Accepting yourself. This is what tantra is literally all about.

Cilia: Yes, seeing everything as divine, right?

Laura: Yeah. Seeing everything as divine. And accepting yourself emotionally in every moment with as little judgment as possible. And I know that’s hard too, obviously. But being okay with that. And if you are judging yourself, then be okay with that.

You can be okay with yourself and still have the intention to want to create changes and make changes in your life because we’re always doing that. We’re always growing and, and looking to grow, create change, and you’re okay right here and now simply because you exist.

Cilia: Mm-hmm.

Laura: So, yeah, like that’s, and, and coming to this, this truth about ourselves, this wholeness, this deep understanding and this awareness, that’s something I’ve been very passionate about, you know, in my own life. And, you know, helping women, helping others as well to do so.

Because otherwise we’re just, we’re feeling lost. We’re flailing around, we’re not fulfilled. You know, I mean, you see it everywhere. Burned out boss babes everywhere.

Cilia: Yeah, oh gosh, they’re crispy.

Laura: Yeah, exactly. Totally fried.

Cilia: That should be a potato chip 😂

Laura: Yes, crispy boss babe. 😂 But yeah, it’s just, it comes back down to your truth, right?

Cilia: Yeah

Laura: Your truth, your journey, your self-acceptance, being in your body, being with your feelings. Because I mean, that’s what you’re here for. That’s what we’re literally all here for. To be ourselves.

And we’re not doing anybody, let alone ourselves or the world any favors if we’re being anyone other than who we actually are and truly feel we want to be.

Cilia: Yeah, exactly. And I think that if you really sit and meditate about it, I think that is why we have like all these climate issues.

Laura: Yeah, mm-hmm.

Joy is hiding in the Feminine Rising

Cilia: We’re just taking, and taking and taking from Earth. We’re in that go, go, go energy. Like what you were sharing about the go, go, go and hustle mode. I think that it, zooming out to the collective of humanity, I feel like everyone could benefit from connecting with feminine energy.

Even men have feminine energy and I think men are very much suffering from not being able to fully express that.

Laura: Absolutely.

Cilia: I think as we’re in this, we’re kind of in this space right now where more women are being empowered in their feminine energy. And I think I’ve said this in an episode before, but I think that we’ll be able to kind of like usher the men into that as well.

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

Cilia: I feel like, like a collective mother.

Laura: Oh, for sure. Yeah. And I mean, earth is, is the mother, right? Like the ultimate mother. Look what we’re doing to earth and look what we’re doing. And earth is the, like, is an example more of a feminine energy, right? Like a nurturing creative energy that births life, you know, literally births life constantly.

That’s very feminine. And it’s true what you’re saying, there’s masculine feminine in everyone. Absolutely. Yeah. And we need both.

Cilia: Right, you can’t just, you can’t just grow a tree with earth and no sunlight. Which sunlight is considered “masculine” energetically.

Laura: I love that. Yeah. That analogy is beautiful. The way that I have experienced this, and the way that I see it, is everything is one thing ultimately. Consciousness, Love, energy, God, whatever you wanna call it. This is from my, I’ve literally experienced myself as this, so I’m speaking from my personal experience.

So we are all the, all of it. Like all we’re all one. So we’re not separate, essentially like that. The separateness is kind of an illusion. But it’s still real at the same time in this reality. Cause we need to experience ourselves here. Right. That’s a whole other podcast episode that I would love to do one day with you, Cilia.

Cilia: Yeah, that would be fun, let’s do it.

Laura: But you have the oneness and then you’ve got the duality, the polarity. Is that masculine, feminine energy? ultimately, right? That expresses itself in different ways, but it’s also present in everything, right? Mm-hmm. So, and, and we need the balance because look at the, how the world has been for so long.

It’s been very imbalanced. It’s been very, very masculine. Very masculine, extremely. And as a result, we’ve had all this destruction of the earth, oppression of women and other things too. But men have definitely been suffering as a result because the feminine is part of who they are.

And if they’re the ones abusing, if the masculine is abusing the feminine, they’re also abusing it within themselves. They all come from a mother as well, right? I mean, there’s so many symbols here, so many things I can like say. But they have been suffering too, because when you’re abusing one, you’re abusing the all going back to the concept of oneness.

So, everyone’s been suffering, and it’s really, really important that the feminine rises now. It’s rising, it’s being remembered. We’re getting into that empowerment of the feminine and with that we’re bringing the masculine along beside us. To be together, to interweave. Because it’s not like we’re supposed to be like the reigning women now that are gonna have ALL the power, because then we’re just doing the same thing that the patriarchy did.

So it’s coming, it’s coming together and healing together, those wounds. And I think women are also initiators largely. Initiating movements, initiating each other, initiating the masculine, we BIRTH

Cilia: Exactly

Laura: Initiating the men. And it’s really beautiful to see more and more of that now in these conscious spaces as well, where men are rising up too, and they’re honoring the feminine. They’re honoring women. They’re loving women, and, and ultimately, I truly believe that most people are good. They have good intentions.

We want the same things. And the truth is, yes, there’s toxic masculinity for sure, but there’s also toxic femininity. We need to accept that there’s the dark and the light to everything. And then we can choose where we focus our attention, what we give our time to, what we actually do.

So, and I think that’s important to remember and then focus on, okay, there are these dark aspects, you know, of femininity, of masculinity, of other parts of ourselves, but there’s so much love. There’s so much good intention. There’s so many beautiful things in the world as well.

And often I feel like we forget that because we get drowned in, first of all our own issues. You know, life, things that happen that might be difficult. And also all the things that happen in the world that are really atrocious. But it’s just a reflection of the wounds that we have within ourselves, you know, our own traumas.

It can go back generations and ancestors and past lives, I mean, so much. So, yes, it’s a lot. It’s a lot. Maybe it’s always been a lot, but I feel like we’re feeling it all very, very deeply now, more than possibly ever, because we’re also so interconnected, because of technology.

Cilia: Yeah.

What is Tantra?

Laura: We just… it’s love ultimately. Ultimately, we just, we just all wanna come back to love.

Cilia: That’s beautiful. Wow. I feel like there’s so many paths we could take now with this conversation!

Laura: Right? Me too, there’s so many things to talk about.

Cilia: I wrote down something we said where we were talking briefly about pleasure and how it’s not just sex. That tantra is also not just about sex, and it’s often presented as that.

Laura: Oh yeah. Mm-hmm.

Cilia: And I think maybe it’s presented in that way so that people stay away from tantra because tantra

Laura: ooh..

Cilia: From the little knowledge I have of it… I’m currently in a coaching certification that’s tantra based. From my perspective so far, I see tantra as truth. And you’re just accepting all sides of truth, sadness, happiness, depression, bliss, like all of it.

Laura: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Cilia: “They” don’t want us to know the truth, whoever they is 😂

Laura: Yeah right, I don’t know who are they? 😂 But yes, this is something that I’ve talked about a lot as well, but because there’s so many misconceptions about tantra.

Mostly, again, like similar to the pleasure, everybody thinks it’s just about sex. Tantra is a way of being. It is a way of being that is all inclusive. So it’s accepting yourself, like you said, all of your emotions, everything is okay. Not in the sense that you can go and hurt somebody, or there’s no consent.

Tantra’s very much about consent and about boundaries as well. You know, being very clear and open and transparent. So as long as you’re not hurting anybody, then ultimately everything is okay and it’s all divine.

And of course, sex is a really big part of that because it’s a really big part of who we are. It’s a big part of our nature. And so you then also understand the sacredness of sex. And how you can connect very deeply with your sexual energy within yourself and with a partner. You make it conscious because a lot of sexual energy has been made very like mechanical nowadays.

For a while now it’s been like very mechanical. Like either it’s been like, okay, it’s just for, uh, biological purposes, like procreation. Or it’s like, you know, a man having his way with a woman just like pounding. And also that is very surface level in the sense that you’re not actually experiencing it fully at all.

Cilia: Yeah, right.

Laura: So with tantra and sexual energy, it opens up this doorway into so much more depth, so much more connection, so much more intimacy, so much more bliss and pleasure. You can like cry tears of joy. You can experience God. Like, I mean, it’s literally like, it’s so full on and it’s beautiful, but how does it start?

It’s not like you’re like, okay, I’m doing tantra now and I’m gonna go have all this awesome sex, like I’m gonna try out all these different things. No, it starts with yourself with self-acceptance, self-awareness, with being in your body, with feeling your emotions. So when I work with people, for instance, I start out with, with saying, okay go look at yourself in the mirror for a while, like, start taking your clothes off.

And this can be incredibly difficult for people. But just be with yourself there. Like, what comes up for you? Like, what are you feeling? You know, just as you’re being there with yourself, people don’t do this. It’s very confronting, right?

Cilia: Yeah.

Laura: Cause often we have these judgements about ourselves and it’s understandable completely. That’s how you start creating intimacy. With yourself, with your emotions, with your body. Being very present and then releasing slowly, bit by bit that criticism and that judgment. And of course there’s, there’s layers then that you’re peeling back because all sorts of things can come up for you, you know, from your childhood, from certain experiences.

That’s what we then work through, but it’s not 101 kinky sex positions. 😂 That’s not what–

Cilia: I used to think tantra practitioners were people who just had orgies all the time 😂 When I was younger and first heard about it. Bu, yeah, the mirror work is very powerful.

Laura: It’s very powerful. There’s definitely, I mean there’s a lot of like, when you get to the state of being very, what’s it like liberated in your sexual energy, then a lot of people can go down these very explorative, I dunno if I’m saying that word right? Exploratory path. Where there could be an orgy involved for some people that wanna experience that. Like that definitely exists. There’s definitely that world.

Within tantra where there are multiple people involved, multiple sexual experiences, always with consent, you know, like, I mean, there’s some, obviously there’s, like what I said earlier, there’s darkness to everything. So there can also be some people that are doing things that are just, they’re taking advantage.

Cilia: Yeah

Laura: You have to be careful. Like you have to discern that. That definitely does exist.

Cilia: I think that’s why the starting with yourself is important because, like we said earlier in the call, someone who’s liberated and in their own power … you can’t make them do something they don’t wanna do.

Laura: Exactly. Yeah. And they have the awareness around that as well. So you’re in your power then in your sovereignty, but yeah, so it’s something to be aware of that that does exist. And there’s some teachers that focus more on the sexual aspects of tantra. There’s some teachers like myself, I focus more on the going inwards, the sexual energy, of course is a big part of it.

But I put a lot of emphasis on the things that are not essentially sexual about tantra. It’s like, your whole life is tantric, your whole life is divine. It’s all included, right? So tantra is the truth of you, of your wholeness. So then you start to explore your sexual energy in a way that is healthy, in a way that’s conscious and connected.

And you can really come into this beautiful, liberated place where you can begin to feel possibly in ways you’ve never felt before. Or never even thought were possible to feel. And it’s incredible. That’s why I really resonate very much with tantra because it has that power to do that.

And I think it’s true what you’re saying as well, keeping people away from it, the truth, when people know the truth, they are empowered. And I think that does scare some people. You know, the mystery around it, I think it’s both. I think some people are drawn to tantra because it’s mysterious and intriguing, and also they wanna go just for the sexual things. Cause they think that’s what it is.

And then other people don’t want to go there to the sexual energy and mystery. It’s confronting. But I feel like more and more now, it’s kind of coming into the present awareness and collective consciousness where it’s, people are starting to understand like what it really is about.

And it’s been around for a long time, which means. There’s gotta be something to it. It’s ancient, literally ancient.

Cilia: And let’s just take a moment to be like grateful for like all those people that kept it alive. Like it could have died.

Laura: Yes, it could have. Yeah. And it’s still here. That’s incredible.

Cilia: All of the wars and all of the things that happened in humanity, it survived all of that. That’s awesome.

Laura: It is actually really amazing. I mean, literally thousands of years, we don’t know the exact time of origin. But that is amazing cause that’s a long time and there’s a lot of things that have happened and yeah, you’re right. It’s incredible when you think about it for a moment. And I do have a lot of gratitude.

A bunch of years ago, I was exploring different modalities and doing my own inner growth and different meditations and all these things. And I’m still a huge fan of meditations, but I then discovered Tantra and it was like, wow. Like this is like, how come nobody ever told me about this before??

It is so powerful, and I think that’s why it’s kind of been almost shunned by some other modalities because it’s so inclusive, because it includes the sexual energy.

Cilia: Yeah. For me, I was trained in yoga and there’s a, I don’t know if it was a Yama or a Niyama, but there was one about celibacy

Laura: Uhhuh, and, um, yeah.

Cilia: Something along the lines of “You’ve gotta be God-like”, and “Don’t have sex“

Laura: Mm-hmm, I also had a similar experience.

Cilia: Mmm-hmm, and I didn’t know I was getting into tantra, but I got into a yoni egg course in 2021.

Laura:Mm-hmm. Cool. Yeah.

Cilia: And it was so uncomfortable. But… I listen to the teacher who’s the teacher I’m training with now, she said “if you feel uncomfortable, just stop and just listen to the video, listen to the audio, or do the practice for five minutes, or just hold yourself with whatever you’re feeling, but come to it, devote yourself, come to it, but you don’t “have” to do anything.”

Laura: Right

Cilia: And eventually I got to a space where I was just like…THIS is what sex is, what? Like… I’ve… we’re all being lied to. And… sex is just so beautiful. It felt very much like an initiation of like slowly inching me towards someone who’s going to be a sexuality coach, which still terrifies me a little bit.

Laura: Mm-hmm.

Cilia: But I already do that now in an introductory type of way way with, I have a breast massage course and I do have a practice in there where I’ll have you just look at your breasts in the mirror. You can take your shirt off, if not still looking at them, but just BE there with the mirror.

Laura: Yeah. That’s beautiful and so powerful. I really felt that when you said all those things our journeys are amazing and so important and we don’t allow ourselves often enough to really just BE with ourselves. Really just explore ourselves. Yeah. The go, go go hustle.

Cilia: It’s doesn’t give space for that.

Laura: It doesn’t give space for that. Exactly. And we need to slow down. We’re constantly being distracted I think it’s almost designed that way to like keep us from our own empowerment.

Cilia: So that we buy more stuff

Laura: Yup, so that we buy more stuff. Because we’re told that’s what makes us happy. But it’s all already within us and it’s all available within us. And yes, it’s scary and it can uncomfortable to go there for multiple different reasons, which are all totally valid. But if you wanna like transcend and go to that next level, so to speak, within yourself, you know, to be able to like feel more experience more, you’ve gotta go through your comfort zone. And go beyond.

Also going with your body and with your feelings and really just accepting yourself where you’re at right here and now. I think is also really important because a lot of the times we can look back and be like, Ugh, I wish I would’ve done it this way. Or Why didn’t I realize it earlier or whatever.

Cilia: Mm-hmm.

Laura: That was all part of your journey. Every single step. That took you to where you are now. You know, you needed to go through all the things you went through. Mm-hmm. So, yeah. And, and in my journey it’s, it’s definitely very obvious, you know, like that.

Cilia: And sometimes you can’t see it in the moment, when you’re really in it.

Laura: Yeah. It’s hard to see it. Like there’s the fog. Yeah. But then later you’re like, oh yeah, of course. That made so much sense. And thank goodness for that!! But yeah, tanura is very much about de-armoring yourself and opening your heart.

It’s all about heart energy, sexual energy, the connection of that. And what you were saying too with the celibacy thing… there can be a place for celibacy. At certain times in your life that can be very useful.

If you wanna be a celibate all your life, that’s okay, if that’s truly what you desire. And that’s the experience for some people. But the whole experience of humanity, all of it is divine. It’s all supposed to be built and experienced. Whatever you as a person are choosing to experience, all of it is, is holy as divine, and none of it should be shamed.

Cilia: Yeah. And if everyone was celibate, there’d be no humans

Laura: Exactly. That too. Yeah. It’s like there is no one way to do it. There is no one way to do it.

It’s like there’s your way and there’s your way, and there’s this way and that way. And you get to pick and choose. And in one moment you’ll wanna try this, and the next moment maybe this is better for you.

You come to these like revelations within yourself, but it doesn’t make you a bad person if you like having sex. Sexual energy is beautiful. And the more that we embrace that and the more that we embrace every part of who we are, the better we’ll feel and the more beautiful of a world we can create. Because ultimately I think that’s what we want. We want a world where people can be loved and accepted.

And I mean, world peace, isn’t that what they always say? It sounds like maybe cliche or whatever, and maybe we’ll never be in a place that’s like completely peaceful and that’s fine too because we need some contrast, but… To create a more wholesome, loving, joyful world, I completely believe we’re capable of that.

I certainly hope that that’s where we’re going. I feel like, you know, maybe I won’t see it in my lifetime, but I feel like I’m contributing to it. You know, like that’s what we’re doing here. And we can live in a world that is really beautiful. Like truly, it doesn’t need to be utopia, you know?

Mm-hmm. But it can, it can be really loving, predominantly. And I think that’s also our human nature. Like, I do not believe that we’re some sort of greedy, animalistic, you know, power hungry beings at our core

Cilia: yeah, we learn that

Laura: Yeah, we’re compassionate, we’re loving, we wanna share, we wanna give. That’s who we truly are. And I’m not gonna get into Darwin now, but I’ll briefly mention, I don’t know if you know this, I didn’t know this for a long time, but Darwin, with all his writings. He only mentioned survival of the fittest, like, I don’t know, five times. He talked about love like over 90 times.

Cilia: Oh really?

Laura: Oh yeah. And they were just like, oh, that’s not convenient for us. We’re just gonna talk about the survival of the fittest. We just ignore the love. But no, it’s the cooperation. It’s the love, it’s the giving, it’s the sharing the compassion. I mean, you talk to anybody and most people will say they just wanna live a happy, fulfilling life where they have enough for themselves and their families where they’re having a good time most of the time.

We all want those things so we can do it.

Cilia: Yeah. I believe in us. We could do it.

Laura: Yes. I’m an optimist. What can I say?

Closing Questions: What does self love mean to you?

Laura: I would say unapologetic self-expression is a big part of self-love. When you can fully accept yourself here and now. When you know you’re already worthy, that you are good enough simply for existing. When, probably when you don’t need so much outer validation for yourself.

You’re really grounded. You can look in the mirror and genuinely love yourself. And that, I know that’s hard and I know that’s a journey.

Cilia: Yeah.

Laura: And maybe, maybe it won’t be constant or maybe it won’t be every day, but you can feel it, you can feel love within yourself, for yourself, and you know that it’s within you.

Like you don’t need to go outside of yourself for it. Like it’s there within you. Within yourself as yourself. It’s like that’s who you actually are at your core is love.

Cilia: Mm-hmm.

Laura: And like the recognition of that. I think that’s what self-love means to me.

Cilia: I love that. I love how it’s like from this place of like self sourced of like self sourced.

Laura: Oh, I love that. Self source sounds really good. That’s good. Oh, that’s good. I like that. It can be like a slogan or a catchphrase or something. Self love, self sourced or self sourced Self-love. We are sourced and we are love.

Closing Question: What makes you feel the most grounded?

Laura: I would say the number one thing for me, aside from being in my own emotions and in my own body, which is very grounding and very important, is connecting with nature. With Mother Earth directly.

On the sand, on the soil, touching a tree. I feel so energized and rejuvenated from that direct energy. That’s even called grounding, isn’t it? Grounding or earthing, like when you walk barefoot.

Cilia: Yeah

Laura: Just that direct connection and that direct contact is very grounding for me. I just love it, I’ve always been a total earth child. Growing up, I’d just play in the trees and, you know, talk to the birds. Like all of it, it’s awesome. If I have children, I want ’em to grow up like that, ideally.

Cilia: Yeah, I know, right? I’m always telling my husband,”we need to move close to the woods.”

Laura: Uhhuh, yes. Oh, it’s such a beautiful way to grow up. And I think also then gain an appreciation and a love for nature, right? Because you’re directly connected with it.

You’re interacting with and you realize –maybe you don’t realize, but maybe you do eventually– that you’re not separate. You actually are it like, and it is you, like you’re part of it. Like you’re one thing, like I really believe this is going in a whole other direction, but I actually believe that like all of us are cells of the earth, but the earth is like this massive being.

Cilia: Oooh, so good.

Laura: Right, and you’re really tiny. If you zoom out and look at it for a second… like, okay, so I’ve flown over massive ice fields up north in Canada.

Cilia: Mm-hmm.

Laura: And, you know, you see like a little bit of the melting water in the streams or even rivers, right?

Cilia: Mm-hmm.

Laura: It’s like, they’re like, it’s like the blood, it’s like our veins. And you see it like represented in the macro, in the micro everywhere. I mean, like, I suppose the shape of a galaxy, like our dna, it’s literally everywhere. It’s reflected, you know, like your eyes look like what? Like an orange or something opened up or something like a kiwi, like it’s everywhere.

Cilia: Oh, yeah. They do look like Kiwis. I’d never thought of that.

Laura: Yeah. And kidney beans, they look like your kidney. I mean, they’re even called kidney. That’s so obvious. If you look like at a walnut, it’s like that’s your brain. Yeah. And you know, like I feel like it’s everywhere.

There’s that representation and you can even go as far as saying like, okay, the water is the blood. The, the volcanoes, the fire, the core of the earth. That’s fire, that’s your own energy, your own like desires and things like that, right? Like your own warmth and fire. Uh, you’ve got the earth itself, like stones, rocks, like your bones, your skin.

This fascinates me. Like I really honestly believe that we are actually the cells of the Earth and that we’re all one thing.

Cilia: I love that. Thanks for sharing that. I can have a whole conversation with you about that, honestly.

Laura: Yeah. Let’s do it.

Cilia: I wanted to ask you if you’ve read Women Who Run with the Wolves?

Laura: [nods head and smiles]

Cilia: Do you remember the very fir I, I don’t know if it’s the first chapter or like the introduction where they’re talking about, you know, being out in the forest and smelling the soil. And I remember it cuz when I was reading it, I was like, imagining, you know, being a little girl in the woods and like the smell.

Laura: Mm-hmm

Cilia: I thought of that when you were talking about, um, growing up near like Yeah. The Woods.

Laura: Yes, Oh my goodness. It’s been a while since I’ve read it, but I do vaguely remember and I think it may have been in the very beginning.

Cilia: I want to read that book again,I feel like that’s a book I wanna constantly be reading.

Laura: Yeah, it’s amazing. There’s another book that I think you would love as well, maybe you’ve read it. It’s called Woman Be Wild by Indigo. If you liked the other book then you like this one, I think it’s really good.

Cilia: Ooo, I wrote it down. I also loved what you shared earlier about doing a pleasure first list, I’m gonna do that. Very good tips you’re giving today.

Laura: Thank you

Closing Question: What’s your favorite part about being a woman?

Laura: Ooh, that’s a good question. Oh gosh. I feel like there was a lot there. Okay, let’s think about it for a moment here. Favorite part about being a woman…

My ability to feel very deeply because I feel like women in particular feel very deeply. I mean everybody does of course, but I just feel like the possibly for women is extra, extra. So just the, the depth of my own emotions. Maybe that’s just me personally. Maybe that’s not necessarily being a woman, but I feel like it’s connected, so I’ll go with that.

And, my power of creation, of being able to actually create life. I think that’s very cool. That’s pretty amazing. That is, you know, like very much being a woman, um, to be nurturing like that, these different aspects of myself that I feel very deeply of, like that’s connected with the feminine energy I feel. Mm-hmm. And I think my sensuality, like, I feel like I, I’m very sensual.

I have the ability to be very sensual when I’m really embodied in that feeling, the way that I move, the way that I move through the world. I suppose maybe even the way some people perceive me in that essence or in that energy, it feels really true to me.

I do feel like because I’m a woman, I can feel that way and be that way. Very deeply and very truthfully, very connected. Yeah. I think that’s what I love the most about being a woman– Oh, your cat is so adorable!

Cilia: She’s been asking for my attention all morning

Laura: I think there’s a lot we can learn from, from animals, from cats in particular as well. They’re like total zen masters.

Cilia: Yeah, I always say that I feel like my cat helped initiate me to have a divine feminine awakening. Just observing how she rests a lot, takes a lot of breaks and does her little self-care washing her face. She also very much speaks out for what she desires and wants.

Where to find Laura

Cilia: So for, for everyone tuning into this episode, where can they find your work? Where can they find out more about you?

Laura: You can find me on Instagram at, uh, Laura Isabella Mame. I’m also on Facebook, same name.

Not the dots though, but you’ll find me. Um, everything’s connected online, you know, like it filters into the next thing. Um, it flows into the next thing. Um, I’ve got my website, laura isabella bic.com. Uh, you can send me a message, you know, I’d love to hear from anybody. Mm-hmm. Um, if you resonate, it’s always nice to hear and connect.

Uh, yeah. And I’ve got things going on so you can follow me there. Um, and yeah, at the moment I’ve got some beautiful sessions available for some wild women that wanna go deeper into their own sexual energy, into pleasure, into their bodies. Got that going on. And also, I’m gonna be offering something for couples again.

Ooh. As well. Yeah. So that would be fun. So I’ve always got things happening. I know I’m in my stories and stuff, so you can definitely find me there and follow me and connect with me and I’m always happy to, to say hello and yeah, have a conversation.